This tendency of ours to want to stick a label on everything might make the world seem neater and easier to manage, but it’s as joyless a process as it is reductive. You couldn’t stick a label on my guest in this episode of the podcast even if you tried – Jackee Holder’s business card says ‘Cultural Creative’, but that’s only a partial description of her work. When we met online to talk, we started with trees, and travelled on together from there.